Get rid of Sky

[brassmonkey]

Sky sucks. Some quests dont show up, and you dont even give us the option to disable it. Please get rid of this crap, or at least dont make it a dependency. My guildies agree, and we all have to dl different UIs because they have the same problem. This Sky thing is making you lose all your users

[MorphiusFaydal]

At least make it useful to the average player...

not everyone is a lvl 60 running instances in groups and going on raids every night, so 99.9% of Sky's functionality is totally lost on us.

[Azel]

I use sky and I've no problem, It's a very useful mod and I want it.

You've done something wrong if you got somo error with sky, and you can disable it by clicking on the small "S" on your portait and disabling all the channel...

[MorphiusFaydal]

I use sky and I've no problem, It's a very useful mod and I want it.

You've done something wrong if you got somo error with sky, and you can disable it by clicking on the small "S" on your portait and disabling all the channel...

ah, but we don't use it, and don't need it around. also, that only removes some of the functionality, we want to completely remove sky, but unfortunatly, all of Cosmos depends on it. :-\

[cowboylx]

The idea of sky is great, but if u disable it in the addons u loose other features too, which u probably need.
So an option to disable it would be great!

[Tisser]

Sky has nothing to do with your quests missing...
Sky is a cosmos-user communication addon, which allow people to share info. Info like quests and pet health/mana and such.

So I'm all for it, it a very very very good idea and should be used by all!

[ydnar]

It's just another one of those things....some ppl have different hardware configs than others...they test as much as they can but cannot begin to simulate all their uses computers types.

I haven't had any problems with the 3-30 alpha. I've had probs in the past...but not enough to make say "Cosmos sucks" or "Sky sucks"

[Ultra54]

For the life of me I can,t figure out what the hell Sky is and what it's used for. Please direct me to where I can read about it and get a handle on it. Why are some of my contacts on my friends list in blue?

[MorphiusFaydal]

Sky has nothing to do with your quests missing...
Sky is a cosmos-user communication addon, which allow people to share info. Info like quests and pet health/mana and such.

So I'm all for it, it a very very very good idea and should be used by all!

But we who don't like it often solo, so all the communications stuff does us no good, and all the party/raid oriented stuff doesnt do us any good, and more often than not, gets in our way.

Ultra54: AFAICT, it means they use sky as well.

[Marsman]

First - some form of "sky" has ALWAYS been in cosmos. Before it was the cosmos and ZParty channels. Now Sky has replaced those.

Sky is a set of communication functions that allow addons to exchange information. From this we get such things as Pet Health/Mana - passing Mapnotes - Quest info and progress sharing - Raid Minion information and more.

Sky sets up a set of channels for Player to Player, Party, and Raid for addons to exchange info through. Sky then hides all these channels from view so that the player doesn't see all the behind the scenes stuff. Being an open system, any addon author needing to communicate can use a common set of Sky channels to exchange information rather than creating a seperate channel of their own. This is important since we only get 10 channels to work with.

[brassmonkey]

i have no problem with quests without it

if its always been in cosmos, why did it work before, and not now?

[Gryphon]

You might be having problems with quests because of PartyQuest, not because of Sky. If you disable Sky, it disables PartyQuests, this is why you don't have problems most likely.

[MorphiusFaydal]

First - some form of "sky" has ALWAYS been in cosmos. Before it was the cosmos and ZParty channels. Now Sky has replaced those.

Sky is a set of communication functions that allow addons to exchange information. From this we get such things as Pet Health/Mana - passing Mapnotes - Quest info and progress sharing - Raid Minion information and more.

Sky sets up a set of channels for Player to Player, Party, and Raid for addons to exchange info through. Sky then hides all these channels from view so that the player doesn't see all the behind the scenes stuff. Being an open system, any addon author needing to communicate can use a common set of Sky channels to exchange information rather than creating a seperate channel of their own. This is important since we only get 10 channels to work with.

its the increased dependance, everything seems to be headed towards a 'group' thing.. i'm not that much of a groupie, i prefer to solo, so having everything group-oriented doesnt help me, and actually hinders me some.

[Nephyrin]

its the increased dependance, everything seems to be headed towards a 'group' thing.. i'm not that much of a groupie, i prefer to solo, so having everything group-oriented doesnt help me, and actually hinders me some.As others have noted Cosmos has ALWAYS had a communication system. It has just recently been standardized in Sky.

There are almost NO reported issues of sky malfunctioning or causing any issues, aside from the chat bugs that have already been mostly weeded out.

If you are getting errors, it is likely do to partyquests, which makes heavy use of sky and in itself has had a number of bugs.

Also, we would like you to note this: There are two distros for a reason. There is a reason the alpha is labeled "EXPERIMENTAL". It is just that. An alpha. It is not bug free, it is not perfect.

Simply having sky enabled allows addons that make use of it to function. Seeing party member's pet info, raid info, quest info, mapnotes, and even seeing if they use Cosmos or not are all functions done by addons that make use of Sky communication. If one of these is causing you an issue, disable it or seek help on the boards or in our IRC channel.

Sky is working well and allowing us to add many many features that involve communication between cosmos users. I have yet to hear any valid arguement for its removal besides several sky-using addons having bugs in the ALPHA distro.

Please, seek help for the bugs you are having or switch to the more stable distribution. Petitioning the removal of Sky will do naught but remove several features and give us less to test in the experimental distribution. :(.

[MorphiusFaydal]

i'm not bitching about the bugs, when i use Alpha or Beta software, i'm expecting bugs. less so in a beta, but still, i know they'll be there.

i'm complaining about the grouping-orientation that Cosmos seems to be adopting. i'm on a PvE server, and i don't group much, so 95% of the features that Sky is providing to me are useless. and all the visible hooks that are built into Cosmos are getting in the way, to the point that i'm disabling 60% of Cosmos/Addons, just so that i can see the non-partified portion of the addons that work well for me. The fact that some things, such as PartyQuest seem to break more often than not is also a minor gripe.. but that can't be helped, it is Alpha.. but can we try and provide options to use all the group/pvp stuff or have it more solo'er oriented?

[Ceromus]

Sky is complete garbage causing complete chaos to my channels I have several mods that simply no longer function with Sky's wacky channel system right now I modified my cosmos to remove its dependency and removes the code for it but im hoping the depency is removed I dont need sky I dont care if several mod's in cosmos use Sky ill drop them in a heartbeat and get something better.

[ydnar]

Sky is complete garbage causing complete chaos to my channels I have several mods that simply no longer function with Sky's wacky channel system right now I modified my cosmos to remove its dependency and removes the code for it but im hoping the depency is removed I dont need sky I dont care if several mod's in cosmos use Sky ill drop them in a heartbeat and get something better.


Sorry your having problems with SKY. Works fine for me and my 15 other non-cosmos mods.

Oh, and btw, punctuation is your friend. Makes it easier for people to read what you've typed.

Usually I wouldn't bother to read something without stucture, but this was an important enough issue to me..

[Phred]

My channels have been a complete mess since Sky was added into Cosmos. It appears to be sitting between me and they server channels and eating any commands it doesn't understand. /chatwho returns nothing, as if the author of sky didn't know of it's existance. /chatinfo however works. Rather than eating commands it doesn't understand wouldn't it be better to pass them to the server instead?

Also a private channel I belong to is unusable with Sky in the way until I leave and rejoin every time I log in, and Sky seems to have messed up the channels to the point where changing the color of the private chat channel in the popup menu on the chat tab actually changes the color of the LookingForGroup channel instead.

I would like the option to disable Partyquest as well, while keeping the level numbers on the normal Blizzard quest log window, like we had with QuestMinion. I don't like PartyQuest, as it loses track of quests and I don't like it's 2 window design.

[Kral2]

I use sky and I've no problem, It's a very useful mod and I want it.

You've done something wrong if you got somo error with sky, and you can disable it by clicking on the small "S" on your portait and disabling all the channel...

Sky is insanely buggy. You don't have to 'do something wrong' to have it backfire horribly on you. Look at the number of users having problems with it screwing up their ability to chat for example.

[dafire]

i have no problems with sky and noone in my guild has problems with it.

[Random Poster]

Who wants this sky crap?

Not me.

[ydnar]

Looks like it's a situation where more peplo are NOT having problems with it.

It sucks to say cuz your prolly a fan of Cosmos but you might need to look elsewhere.

Sky has always been in Cosmos but it wasn't always called Sky, and your now just having problems with it?

If more of us were having problems, it would be a more serious issue. I hope he ppl here can run you though steps that will get rid of you problem and others problems..

Peace

[Vynn]

First and formost, please keep the tone civil on the forums or I'll have to lock any threads which get out of hand.

Now, on to the issue at hand - please, if you're having problems with sky, submit a bug report(www.cosmosui.org/bugzilla) it REALLY helps the developers figure out issues. And remember, the more detail you can give us, the faster and more accurately we can diagnose and fix the problem.

[brassmonkey]

well, i've found a solution for now. For all people who are sick of sky, just delete everything in your interface folder and go to http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=298 dl it, and thats it. Your WoW isn't fucked up anymore

[dsdranor]

Do you approach all your problems like that? Hey the radio in your car isn't working right, throw away the car and get a different brand!

[tehhuntingtroll]

Do you approach all your problems like that? Hey the radio in your car isn't working right, throw away the car and get a different brand!

Apparently you think Addons that are based on Grouping and Communication, are great, when you can't get a group, or communicate.

[dsdranor]

actually my statement was referring to brass monkeys solution...

Apparently you think Addons that are based on Grouping and Communication, are great, when you can't get a group, or communicate.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here? Is it not working for for you or for some reason are you playing a MMORPG but refusing to communicate/group with people?

[Eldritch]

Sky seems to work, more or less, if you have one chat window where all of the chat channels are displayed. If you have three chat windows and some channels go in some windows, then some channels will appear in the wrong windows after some time, and some channels will stop appearing, and some channels will appear in multiple windows, and all sorts of other goofy stuff. The only solution I've been able to find is to replace the character's directory inside WTF with a clean, safe copy. That makes things work for a while, maybe a few hours, until suddenly something glitches up again.

ZParty didn't try to take over the entire chat system, that's why it's not broken like Sky is broken.

[GrayMouser]

ZParty didn't try to take over the entire chat system, that's why it's not broken like Sky is broken.

Go back and read the messages by the moderators: Sky isn't broken. There are no bug reports that trace back to sky. The bug reports trace back to addons using the sky. Do you understand the difference?

If your problems are solved by deleting things in your characters profile folder, then you need to look elsewhere for a solution. sky doesn't mess with routing chat to windows. it does hide output from it's channels, but that is A Good Thing.

[balastrea]

Get rid of it .... to many errors with it. I have stopped using cosmos alltogether because of the errors caused by sky. :? I've moved on to experimenting with other UI addons.

[Marsman]

Sky has received a ton of patches and updates over the last couple of weeks. Please make sure you grab a recent version before passing judgement. At this moment, Sky is quite stable and working correctly for the vast majority of people.

[Cluey]

its the increased dependence, everything seems to be headed towards a 'group' thing.. I'm not that much of a groupie, i prefer to solo, so having everything group-oriented doesn't help me, and actually hinders me some.
Sorry to say this MorphiusFaydal but you are playing a game which is party based, at the start you can get away with solo play but as you move on it becomes impossible, you are better off learning how to work in a party as early as possible. The end game raids NEED 40 people and even then they are not always successful!


Now onto sky, I have had a couple of problems with channels not working in the past but while frustrating at the time I have sorted them out. I use the Alpha version and let it update before I play, if something has been changed I look at what it was to see if I think it will impact me in any way.
I gave some feedback on some sky bugs when I had them and I hope my feedback helped sort them out.

I also don't like partyquests as I was bitten by a few of its bugs in the early days, so I have turned it off in the addons menu along with a lot of other mods which I don't need. I am not playing a paladin, rogue or sharmen so I turn those ones off, the same for shardtracker etc...
There is also a lot of other things in it which I personally don't see the need for so I turn them off.

One of the main reasons I started using cosmos was because it let me monitor my parties pets health, a very useful thing when you are a priest.
This is made possible by Sky, without it the pet would die a lot more often.

[ugkar]

Sky makes it so that I have to rejoin all the regular channels everytime I log in. Also, Sky makes it so that I can't join, for instance, the Orgrimmar general channel when I'm not in Orgrimmar. I've tested this and it works with Cosmos uninstalled. I checked the other Sky thread in the support forum, and theres no ETA on when it will be possible to do this. I'd get rid of cosmos but it has so much stuff that I need.
That is why Sky must die.

Die, Sky, die.

[bouchert]

I appreciate the work people have done in trying to make Sky stable, but I too wish it was gone. Cosmos is very one-size-fits-all, but it doesn't have to be. Most of the Addons are useful separately, and it seems a shame that instabilities in one has to ruin the usability of the whole package.

What makes bugs in Sky so painful is how so many things have been tied into Sky that didn't need a communications library. Things which dont need channel functionality at all have been requiring me to use an Addon that scrambles my channels from time to time. And whether or not the bugs will be eventually fixed, that isn't right.

Are there still bugs in how WoW handles channels in some cases? It seems so. I've had to delete my chat-cache file so often, I now have a shortcut to my account directory. If some of this is a problem on Blizzard's end, I don't really see how Sky's channel handling can ever hope to be anything but alpha-quality until Blizzard fixes what they have to.

Until the channel system is foolproof, I hope developers would do more to minimize its impact on the rest of Cosmos. That means modularizing Sky's functions, decoupling channel management from the rest, and allowing other Addons to gracefully function to the best of their ability if Sky is disabled.

In fact, whatever cool new ideas anyone is thinking up for Cosmos, I'd appreciate it if you ask yourself, "Could this have undesirable side-effects?", and if so, do everything possible to make dependencies on that code optional, and fall back to lesser but still partial functionality if the Addon is disabled.[/i]

[brassmonkey]

lala

[Sinaloit]

Sky isn't going anywhere. There is a new version of Sky that is being worked on though please check the thread at the top of the forum.